I travel up to Traverse City Mi to talk with 3 people Ive know for almost twenty years. Lance Vernam and John Macneal talk about their 3 year quest to shoot every known species of upland birds in North America over their personal gun dogs. Judy Balog ( who handled the first Weimaraner to a Versatile Champion in NAVHDA history) joins in to tell us how she first found her favorite breed. Warning: most us us were over served prior to this podcast. Sounds problems due to my lack of recorder placment and Johns dog farting us out of the room, caused me to stop the podcast instead of pausing. So you will have to listen to both podcasts in order to take it all in.