We can do all the sitting in meditation we want, but it means NOTHING unless both nostrils are working together... At the same time. Did you know that?
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This is one of the thousands of secrets I've learned from Gregor Maehle,
He is an amazing teacher. One of the few practicing yogis living today that is willing to do all the research and write in plain English so we can all understand what yoga means.
On this episode 3, Gregor acts like a catalyst of understanding for all of us to really get it.
In this podcast:
You will hear within one hour, in a magical way,
how all branches of yoga come together to bring you
into the mystical sacredness of this very moment
There is plenty of meditation out there, but nobody talks about how it connects to yoga, specifically.
Schools don't teach it... even the large and famous one...
Gregor Maehle
The focus is so heavily on asana (poses) that people like me end up looking elsewhere, not in yoga itself.
I met Gregor because of his books and I am glad I did because once I started reading I could not put them down.
In fact, I have reviewed all of them here on the blog, and even created a book club around the one on Pranayama because I was surprised that someone could make yoga knowledge so accessible, clear and down to earth.
Every time I read a book by Gregor I feel the "slap in the wrist", as I have come to call it, but it is a tough-love kind of slap, the one that says:
"Don't just settle for asana! There is more to go into... like pranayama and meditation, and the mysteries beyond.
Which brings me to this podcast.
GREGOR SHINES LIGHT
Gregor wrote his fourth book completely dedicated to meditation.
To how meditation fits within the yoga tradition, as one of the eight limbs.
His point is that because schools all over the world either focus on the poses or on the meditation, there are non that actually teach "meditation as per yoga".
This causes people like me to start dabbling into Vipassana (which is great and they offer free courses but they neglect the body completely) or Shambhaa or Insight Meditation or all other denominations.
Why?
Because nobody teaches yoga-meditation.
And by that I mean, how did the yogi researches who have sat and practiced for 3, 4, 5 thousand years approach it?
How have they done it? What can we learn from them?
What happens exactly after asana?
What is it that moves the practice forward when we are "established in a practice of poses"?
Enter Gregor...
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PODCAST
Why Gregor has "semi-retired" to a "somewhat secluded forest" location to intensify his practice - Below is a photo of the view into the forest of where he lives now view into the forest Where the confusion stems from: The actual yoga definition of "meditation" and how it differs from, say, Vipassana The fifth limb of yoga is withdrawing the senses... Is there a way to "DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT"? Gregor says yes there is something you can DO to effect the fifth limb of yoga, he describes what that is (including inversions) The fastest way to reach higher levels into the mystery suggested by Gregor, which point to uniting both the breathing techniques with focus on the chakras The reason why inversions have gotten negative publicity lately, and how to avoid troubles with it In all mystical traditions of humankind, it was always taught that true knowledge has a physical aspect. An insight from Gregor's latest visit to Japan Why it is important to "clear" your life, from emotional issues, to clarify money issues, sexual issues etc... Otherwise the "downward energy" will pull you down, and never let you uplift. The role of food and fasting, and how it needs to be done right if attempted at all, for example he goes: "whereas if you clean out the abdomen and you would fast for a while, you just would absolutely not care at all about any of those issues" How the above does NOT mean anyone should just go ahead and try fasting. EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH CARE. And slowly... There is no point in rushing just because we read a book Loved when he said: "The important thing is that you do have a spiritual practice and that you do have a spiritual realization, and then abundance – material abundance will come as a result of that, but don't start chasing material abundance, because material abundance will chase you if you stop giving out a lot. Then you will automatically receive." Gregor boldly says what is at the CORE OF HIS TEACHING: "The central tenets of yogic teaching since 6,000 years ago is that if you only practice asana, that is, posture, it is very, very unlikely that you succeed"
How to choose a teacher. The very difficult question of finding someone who is REAL today... And how Gregor talks about the only qualification for initiation... And it is "self-initiation". Thank you Gregor! The one thing that took Gregor a long time to understand: This surprised me as it applies not just to yoga but to everything. And it has to do with "giving, everything, and doing things for others"
ABOUT GREGOR
BOOKS (Highly recommended):
Yoga Meditation: Through Mantra, Chakras and Kundalini To Spiritual Freedom
Ashtanga Yoga: The Intermediate Series
Ashtanga Yoga: Practice And Philosophy
AMAZING RECENT ARTICLES:
The End Of The Guru: Part One and Part Two
Here is my own related article: The Guru is Dead
TRANSCRIPT
Announcer: Welcome to The Yoga Podcast, keeping it real with your host, Claudia Azula Altucher.
Claudia Altucher: Good morning. Welcome to The Yoga Podcast. I'm thrilled to have with me Gregor Maehle. He is a practitioner of yoga and he has been practicing for over 35 years. In the middle of the 1980s, he started traveling yearly to India, where he studied with various yogic and tantric masters. Gregor has published four amazing books – two on yoga asana, the primary and the intermediate series of ashtanga yoga, one on pranayama, and one on meditation, and these books have been translated into many languages. His teachings incorporate not just posture, but also, purification, pranayama, meditation, devotion, and yoga philosophy, and he offers workshops, retreats, and teacher trainings worldwide. The main blog website is http://www.8limbs.com.
Gregor, welcome to the show. I'm thrilled to have you. Thanks for joining me.
Gregor Maehle: Thanks for having me, Claudia. It's a great pleasure.
Claudia Altucher: That's great. So it's 8:00 PM in Sydney, right?
Gregor Maehle: That's right. Yes, it is 8:00 PM here.
Claudia Altucher: And what did you do today?
Gregor Maehle: The day today was spent with practicing yoga and reading some yogic texts and doing heaps of meditation and doing a bit of gardening.
Claudia Altucher: Oh, how nice.
[Laughter]
Gregor Maehle: Yeah, I'm just after a tour. I recently came back from Tokyo and I taught in Bali and on the Australian West Coast, so this is basically a bit of a holiday for me.
Claudia Altucher: That's nice, and I saw some photographs in Facebook. You get a large following of students in your workshops, about 60, 70 people?
Gregor Maehle: Yes, that's correct, yeah. Yes, that is correct.
Claudia Altucher: Yeah, that was very interesting that you attract a large gathering. I guess that's wonderful. I saw that recently, you and your wife, Monica, bought some land and you are now living in a forest.
Gregor Maehle: Yes, that's right. Yeah, that might be part of why the phone connection is not that great because I'm not really inside of civilization, so yes, I do live in a rainforest on a mountaintop overlooking the Pacific Ocean.
Claudia Altucher: That sounds wonderful, and do you find that the connection with nature at that level helps you with the practice?
Gregor Maehle: Very much so, very much so, and I guess that is something that is often emphasized in the ancient yoga texts, that from a certain point onwards, it is suggested that the yogi move into nature to devote themselves more seriously to the so-called higher limbs of yoga.
Claudia Altucher: Right. Yes, and that's what I wanna talk about today, because, I mean, I am a big fan of your books, as you know. I've reviewed them, I've talked about them, and they're very – they have a lot of the technique and you've done a lot of research around every one of them, so you talk about how different stages look at different parts of the practice, and you have this distilled knowledge of your lifetime work into them, and to me, it's like someone finally decided to write all of the secrets of yoga and put them in four-book form, which is a blessing to all of us. But the one I want to focus is the latest one, called Yoga Meditation, and because I think there's a lot of confusion when it comes to meditation. Would you agree with that?
Gregor Maehle: Yes, there is a great confusion, and part of that is that people generally take the Vedantic and Buddhist translation or meaning of the term "meditation."
Claudia Altucher: Right, right. You say in this book, for example, that you've watched in amazement, a little bit, that many students are, perhaps, get frustrated with teachers that teach only the asana, or the poses part, and then they start looking on their own for meditation techniques, and then they end up maybe doing Buddhist techniques. And that described me. That's what I did. So for example, I went to a Vipassana, and it's not really the yoga tradition of meditation.
Gregor Maehle: No, no, certainly not. If you look at, for example, into the Yoga Sutra, which is the defining text of yoga, it's many thousand years old, and there in the Sutra 3.2, for example, the sage Patanjali says that meditation that is Dhyana in Sanskrit is defined as a permanent stream of awareness from the meditator towards the object of meditation and a permanent stream of information from the object back to the meditator, which is, of course, a quite different idea of what we have in Vipassana and in Buddhism.
Claudia Altucher: Right. So for example, in Vipassana, they just instruct you to watch the breath and then watch for sensations in the body, and so the idea is that all stuff – all conditioning stuff will come up and you won't – you will not react to it in the same way you did before and eventually will clear up, but what I found very interesting is that you say, "Yes, you may prevent yourself from overreacting in the future – " I'm paraphrasing – "to past reactions, but it will not take you deeper into meditation as the yoga tradition does." Am I getting that right?
Gregor Maehle: Yes, I guess the main thing of this – about this Vipassana definition would be, Vipassana is actually something that has developed out of Buddhism, and the main difference between the Buddhism and the Vedanta, which is the Indian or the Hindu equivalent of the Buddhism, and what we teach in yoga is that according to those so-called idealistic schools like the Buddhism and the Advaita Vedanta, the world is an illusion, whereas in yoga, the world is seen as real. So the meditator has actually a keen interest in the world, which is, for us, much more interesting than, for example, our own conditioning.
Claudia Altucher: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, I see. And so this sort of concentration that you were describing or focusing on an object and receiving from the objet is actually more the way of yoga. It's not so much observing sensations; it's concentrating on an object.
Gregor Maehle: Yes, that's right. So for example, we wouldn't really – I mean, you know, the yoga's very much interested in placing the body in, let's say, a perfect position, which the yogis would consider that either Padmasana, the lotus posture, or Siddhasana, a similar posture to that, would be perfect yoga positions for various reasons, but one of the reasons is that in those positions, the body can eventually become so light and effortless that we can completely go beyond the body. That means leaving the body behind so that they can go deeper into the spiritual aspects of the meditation.
Claudia Altucher: Now, what I've seen around from people who are interested in yoga, there's a lot of difficulty with – never mind the lotus, but just sitting down, there's a lot of curved spines, bad posture, and nevertheless, you recommend, you say, "Do not wait to start meditation. Start trying it early on." So for someone, say, who would like to perhaps get into your teachings, read, practice, that cannot sit in any of the four postures that you recommend, sort of like one is kneeling or the – the other one is a modified –
Gregor Maehle: Just cut out.
Claudia Altucher: Oh, I'm sorry. Can you hear me now?
Gregor Maehle: Yes, I can hear you. Sorry about that.
Claudia Altucher: Okay, so for someone who cannot sit easily, what would you recommend to get started with this –
Gregor Maehle: Yes – yeah. Okay, there's actually a so-called "meditation bench," which brings ___ in a similar position as the Virasana position, so – but you're basically sitting in a kneeling position, but you're not sitting on your heels, but your sit bones are slightly elevated.
Claudia Altucher: I see.
Gregor Maehle: So yeah, so that would be – the advantage of such a meditation bench is that your spine is still in the ideal double-S curve.
