John Foster knows lots about pipelines; Mary Ellen Francoeur is a Sister of Service; and David Harries worked as a peacekeeper in many countries. We talk about how to relate to undemocratic states, and then about a webinar that Harries admired – between Jane Goodall and Jonathan Granoff. Evidently they expressed differences in their conception of human security, for Goodall wanted to include not only the human population but animals, plants, and even the non-living parts of our planet. Metta was irritable throughout the show, demanding that rhetorical differences be put aside to work on my concrete challenges to humankind's future, but Mary Ellen continues to express hope.For the video, audio podcast, transcript and comments: https://tosavetheworld.ca/381-democracy-and-humanbitys-future/
