At the start of the podcast Jamie is busy applying E45 to his head and Gill tells him that she found out she was allergic to it whilst going through her cancer treatment. This lead to them chatting about having cancer as Jamie's wife has also been through it. Jamie tells what it was like for him supporting his wife and Gill explains the very different approach she took and how that lead to her writing her book 'Beliefs Bing and Me. The Active Role I took to tackle Cancer'. They chat about how important they think taking a slower path in life is over being in the 'rat race', especially these days.