From boxes to 'men only' retreats.

Jamie and Gill talk all things boxes. From Jamie talking about old cardboard boxes to making a memory box /  frames for two of his Dad's pipes his cousin has just found. Talking boxes reminds Gill of when she worked as a sales administrator in a cardboard box factory and the trauma of the Tiny Tears boxes! 

18mins 50 secs - Jamie remembering his Dad and the emotions that brings leads them into chatting about what prevents men from opening up and talking about their concerns and feelings in the way women do? Gill mentions her friend Honor (@honestlywithhonor on Instagram and Youtube) who runs 'Women Only' retreats in her gites in France and what would need to happen for that to work for men?  Traditionally men went to the pub to chat or did a sport but what do they do now as suicides are on the increase? What sort of environment would encourage them to open up? Is it easier for them when they are doing an activity like golf, woodworking, gardening at the allotment?