From shopping lists to thorns on lemon trees.

Jamie shares with Gill that he was feeling down last week and this was compounded by struggling with some tech issues. They discuss the challenges that men, particularly younger men, face nowadays finding where they fit in the world.

Which leads Gill to tell Jamie how she'd love to offer sharing her garden and gardening with someone who's struggling with their mental health or has S.E.N.D. but has no garden. They chat about the potential issues that brings as Gill's aware that if she simply posts on social media she'll probably get some negative comments like: 'So you want a free gardener then?' 'How much are you going to pay them to do your garden?' 'Do you have the necessary safeguarding checks in place?' So she's decided, as well as doing a bit of research, to 'put it out to the universe' and see if anyone naturally comes along that she can help or offer their carer some respite for a few hours a week. 

Gill discloses how she goes about writing her shopping list which Jamie finds absolutely fascinating! He drills in wanting to know more, when and how did she start this? Was it connected to her work. Gill has never really thoght about it as it just seemd logical to her but does say it may be linked to her having been cabin crew many years ago. She is sure she can't be the only one that does it like this!  

As his briquette videos are gaining interest on YouTube Jamie has been making a press from everyday things you can find in the kitchen for his briquettes so anyone can make them. Gill and Jamie chat about willow weaving, blackening wood, how to tie a knot that doesn't require 'borrowing a finger' and Gill's discovery that lemon trees have thorns! Who knew?!

Oh and Jamie finally gets Gill to reveal that she's very quietly started her YouTube channel GillHB-LIFE!