RAND PAUL INTERVIEW - WE ARE RUINING THE LIVES OF A LOT OF YOUNG BLACK MEN - THE PATRIOT ACT

RAND PAUL INTERVIEW - WE ARE RUINING THE LIVES OF  A LOT OF YOUNG BLACK MEN - THE PATRIOT ACT

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0:00 in time a new call for the GOP to create a so-called bigger tent by reaching out 0:03 more to minorities 0:05 and it comes from presidential candidate Rand Paul who sat down with me 0:09 earlier I want to talk about your book taking a stand one of the things you say 0:14 in here 0:14 is that you really want to reach out 0:17 to people who maybe haven't voted for Republican ever prime-time speaking 0:21 specifically about the minorities 0:23 how do you think you're gonna make a difference with them why they suddenly 0:25 gonna listen to Senator Rand Paul and say well I think I'll go for GOP 0:29 I think I'm the first republican in a generation that's been willing to show 0:32 up 0:33 and then Detroit something Ferguson up into the arm and leg up in the NAACP and 0:37 Matt 0:38 with leaders have all these organizations and also something to 0:41 offer this new 0:42 I think that our criminal justice system has gone overboard 0:46 and that we are ruining the lives in a lot a lot of young black man on wire 0:50 well or are over zealousness with the war on drugs I think that 0:54 putting someone in jail for 55 years for possession or sell a marijuana is 0:58 ridiculous it's absurd 0:59 and it's not proportional to the crime and what has happened as 1:03 over time as we've done more more policing in our big cities 1:06 there's a higher concentration of african-americans in our cities 1:09 there's a higher concentration of poor people but we're locking up a generation 1:13 of young men that I think would be 1:15 they have a chance in should get a second chance outside a prison 1:18 and I i'm willing to try to fix at I'm also willing to 1:22 have targeted tax cuts for the cities have offered a billion dollar tax cut 1:26 for Detroit 1:27 to let them bail themselves out not tell themselves that was someone else's money 1:31 but leave that money in Detroit what's the reception been to some of these 1:35 ideas 1:35 you know quite good actually I think what I found is for you to be wrong 1:39 jumping up down to hey I'm gonna be republican tomorrow but they tell me 1:42 they're glad that I'm there 1:43 they tell me that I'm glad that I'm competing for the vote and they frankly 1:46 often tell me they haven't seen their democrat congressman in quite a while 1:49 because he take some for our she takes them for granted often 1:52 right check out the new book by Rand Paul the senator from Kentucky taking 1:56 the stand 1:57 thank you thank you so senator paul can also be a bit polarizing on certain 2:01 issues so 2:01 is he the best person to opened the tent that question to Monica 2:05 well look he's he's one of the few actually doing it so I give him a lot of 2:09 credit for going to minority communities 2:11 it is going into the inner cities speaking at traditionally and 2:14 historically black colleges 2:15 he's one of the very few on the republican conservative side doing it 2:19 so I applaud him for doing it whether the message punches through well you 2:22 have to start somewhere 2:23 and i think is getting a lot of kudos and any starting to get a lot of 2:27 attention from 2:27 party leaders in presidential candidates were watching what he's doing a very 2:31 fearless way and saying look 2:32 you know the democrats have been taking a black cloud and the Latino vote for 2:36 granted for quite a long time 2:38 and if we can offer competitive vision for economic growth 2:41 and and and building up their communities in ways that jack kemp 2:45 started get back in the nineteen eighties with empowerment zones which is 2:48 what senator paul was referring to that tax credits for the inner city 2:51 if we can bring that into the 21st century and be unafraid about talking 2:56 to these constituencies have tended not to vote republican 2:59 and bring them that that conservative message I think you might have an open 3:02 audience 3:03 like senator possibly might not be voting Republican tomorrow 3:06 but you do have to start somewhere and good for him very interesting alright 3:10 Monica Crowley 3:10 thank you so much pressure thank you the battle between our right to privacy 3:14 and national security plane out in a controversial component the Patriot Act 3:18 the one allowing for the NSA's ball collection of Americans 3:21 telephone data well it's something presidential candidate Rand Paul feels 3:24 very passionately about 3:26 and he talked about that with me earlier my fear is that that 3:32 we're giving up our Privacy we're giving up what we're supposedly fighting four 3:35 in the process of fighting again you can I say look you know times have changed 3:39 since the Constitution was written the founders would have never visualize 3:43 how we have come so far with technology so what happens 3:46 if there's a lapse in this program and a terrorist attack happens we feel guilty 3:50 what will happen is that will rely on the 3:52 on the Constitution and the Constitution does allow for searching a records in 3:56 fact 3:56 I think sometimes we take our eye off for the prize bike 4:00 capturing so much information innocent Americans I think we lose track of 4:04 actually doing the investigations that we need 4:06 Boston Barbara dozen are boy I'm the russians to piss off to him 4:11 I'm all for looking at his records why were we looking at his records why 4:14 didn't we know that he flew back to Russia 4:16 fresh same with the simpson character at a Phoenix he knew his name at the only 4:20 other solutions are valid issues but I'm just wondering 4:23 if in fact this lapses this weekend and something happens you know you're going 4:27 to take a hit for that said you feel guilty if in fact that happen right 4:31 I think it's question is improperly word in what I would say is that when you 4:34 look at this 4:35 when you have looked at this the President's Commission as well as the 4:39 Department of Justice inspector general they look to this they said 4:42 are we getting data from the small collection that has been useful 4:46 with the new now for ten years we getting any data and their conclusion is 4:50 after looking at the classified information 4:52 that they're not getting anything useful there's been no breakthroughs there's 4:55 been no magic or silver bullet 4:57 will continue to have a tax so should the people who are collecting the 5:01 information feel guilty about it actually been having 5:04 we had an attack in Garland we had attacked the Boston Marathon 5:07 the reason object to the question is is that our freedoms are very important but 5:11 to blame one individual for an attack and say 5:14 for who gets the blame for the Boston Marathon it's not really fair to do it 5:17 that way 5:18 but it's a fair question to ask could we do a better job at gathering information 5:23 and we're doing 5:23 that also a base that the a ride for joining me now lovely Marshall 5:27 syndicated radio talk show host at the Leslie Marshall show and Fox News 5:30 contributor 5:31 and Chris Plante syndicated radio talk show host to the Chris 5:34 plant show are a crest what you think about senator paul and whether or not he 5:39 feel guilty if this lapses 5:41 and something happens well I like I the time line on now uncovering a plot to 5:46 verses the 5:47 the window in which the program might be suspended I think it might be tough to 5:51 hangout him although I know that people certainly would and he pointed out 5:55 that all these years and the FBI bien intelligence community cannot point to a 5:59 single plot 6:00 that has been ported because of this metadata program which honestly is less 6:04 scary 6:05 than might meet the eye if you look a more deeply into it it's not that 6:09 frightening a program but he's standing up I thank for the fourth amendment 6:12 and and people are concerned about our privacy rights being chipped away at so 6:16 we might be a good plan but but but what I've heard from intelligence experts 6:19 leslie is that it's not necessarily direct 6:22 plots that they sort through this program it's actually 6:25 threads have information that they are able to piece together that may help 6:30 them in some way crack certain cases 6:32 yes but they can also obtain that information 6:36 with a quick warrant which they would get in the case of an alleged terrorists 6:41 to attack 6:41 are and they can they can go to for riser AT&T 6:45 and they can have a huge NetCast within that subpoena to obtain these records 6:50 which 6:50 we must be reminded I do agree with Chris on this on it may not be 6:54 you know it's scarier than it sounds in the sense but it doesn't have my name is 6:59 it doesn't have the conversation right now would it 7:02 is for a lot of people who even agree with the rest of the Patriot Act but not 7:07 215 right is specifically the lack of a warrant to obtain the information and 7:12 that's just too much of a cage for many Americans are 7:14 alright I want your list chris Christie who is gonna make a decision about 7:17 whether not you gonna jump into the presidential ring in about a month he 7:20 announced that today 7:21 here's his take on the Patriot Act air fact is all that for people are 7:27 expressing opinions on this 7:28 in the senate right now another them have used the Patriot Act never 7:32 prosecute errors I have 7:34 and so they talk about a former speculative perspective 7:37 I talk about it from a real-life perspective and that's why I forgot to 7:40 speak out on this because nobody else 7:42 that's in this national conversation right now has the practical experience 7:46 that i've had 7:47 are as a Christian monthly who do you agree with on this 7:50 do you agree with Rand Paul for chris Christie Chris Pine well you know I'm 7:55 not sure they're necessarily in direct conflict with one another to 15 7:58 separated out from the rest of the Patriot Act creates kinda different 8:01 discussion 8:02 that I i'm in favor of reviewing made the Patriot Act from 8:06 from you know start to finish every so often because I think it was a big 8:10 government reaction to a big government failure in there 8:12 aftermath of September 11 are let me get lesley Anne here we agree with 8:16 all boy Chris we agree on this 1i don't agree with the entire Patriot Act being 8:22 throw out yeah I do agree with being reviewed and I do think that they need 8:25 to sever the relationship between 2:15 the estimates are agree 8:28 a hundred percent with either but Governor Christie or as Interpol 8:32 okay the Foxes political insiders are here and you can chime in while you tune 8:36 in on the Fox News social media pages Facebook and Twitter the open up the 8:40 bottom of the screen 8:41 meanwhile Packard Bell a former pollster for President Jimmy Carter and Fox News 8:45 contributor we have you all in boxes just waiting for something fun 8:48 Doug Schoen former pollster for president there you go bill clinton and 8:52 a Fox News contributor is well you're not doctor john 8:55 John the bully a former republican congressman for New York to see you all 8:58 gentlemen Doug I'm gonna start with you 9:00 and contrary are less because it sounds like a double speak you heard Adam 9:05 Schiff there 9:06 congressman there saying well we're not winning we're not losing 9:09 the White House says we're not losing of senator mccain others are saying we're 9:13 not winning what do we need to now 9:15 well first this has been a terrible week for the United States 9:20 I mean I I don't know that we are who 9:23 are losing are completely but this has been a terrible terrible week we lost 9:28 Ramadi 9:29 I sis in iraq we lost power 9:33 myra in Syria are to 9:36 I says and just in the last to day or so 9:40 there's been a confirmed suicide bombing in saudi arabia 9:44 I it which ices took credit for 9:48 which again shows their scope 9:51 expanding Paris we don't have a strategy 9:54 a plan or any real clear 9:58 idea up what we're doing to combat 10:01 this cordial vices well if we do have something like that 10:04 secretary ash Carter saying now it may be time to ship she said maybe not right 10:09 now but they're looking at that up at I wanna come to you on this 10:12 if they have lost the will to fight I mean if this is like anything else in 10:16 life if somebody doesn't want to fight for their own 10:17 you keep fighting for them I mean what do you think should happen at this point 10:22 well I think that the disaster there in an ash 10:25 and I think the sector defense which you who is the only person the 10:29 administration 10:29 apparently is allowed to speak truth that must've been a a 10:34 condition and his the beak before took the job he 10:37 is telling us the truth the Iraqi army will not fight the 10:41 you know we have and you know the president Phil follow up on doug said 10:45 you know 10:45 I want to say this when you're having a debate about whether you're winning we 10:49 have to ask are we winning 10:50 you know you're losing and I think that you know when the president the United 10:55 States 10:55 after losing two critical cities last week goes the coast guard academy 11:00 intelsat milk graduates about military institution that the greatest crisis 11:05 this country is climate control 11:07 for them the greatest crisis they're basing important fares 11:11 is I is climate control you know he's operating in some zone other than 11:15 reality 11:16 it when the press secretary says people should get their hair on fire 11:21 over tactical setbacks I need me I you know it's so clear 11:24 we're talking about Christians are being burned people are being murdered by 11:28 thousands that we have an army that will all fight and then they're gonna bring 11:32 the shiites 11:33 this is a kto total failure three-quarters of the planes hit a golf 11:37 ball loads 11:38 return without dropping ordnance because we don't have people on the ground 11:42 this is the president's desire to stay up to have in fact 11:46 a stalemated situation he won't let us win 11:50 and he doesn't really seem to grasp with Lucius 11:53 you know it's interesting because this is becoming a further problem inside the 11:56 democratic party 11:57 I know that Hawaii congressman Tulsi Gabbard had this to say let's watch 12:02 clearly 12:05 I sis has gained momentum in particular over the last week 12:09 as we've seen the ground that they've gained both and Iraq and Syria 12:13 she was starting to question whether or not really doing the right thing in 12:17 terms of our strategy over there a lot of people asking questions about it 12:21 so you have the questions tonight tom but you also have people who say wait a 12:24 minute is this 12:26 actually our fight we see the people who were hawkish oddness 12:29 but is this our fight to them when you said while I think there's a lot going 12:33 on that we need to get to 12:34 a the poor consumers have been ahead of the game on to it which is 12:37 watch really roiling a lot of this 12:40 is Obama's a Rand nuke deal has 12:43 alienated the Sunni Arab leadership I V chip Jordan 12:47 clearly Saudi Arabia the UAE a day snow the last week not coming 12:52 as we know to camp david and we need them 12:55 to be the ones to do the fighting again sigh sus 12:58 because if they don't do it Iran is gonna do the fighting 13:02 and what we're gonna be facing is something that we've never even 13:06 contemplated before 13:07 and Arab Persian war that is what he has caused by sliding 13:13 with Tehran against Riyadh Cairo Amman 13:17 Oman Bahrain all that he has 13:20 totally discombobulated the Middle East alright so here's a question for a mile 13:24 in pain from her best questions on Twitter and Facebook 13:27 she says Harris as a rack is nearly done the white house acts like there's 13:31 nothing to see when I sis is done there were next 13:34 Pat I want to come to you with reporting about the FBI going to high schools in 13:38 this country 13:39 and trying to tell young people don't get your head spun by the propaganda I 13:44 system the terrace online 13:46 they're afraid maybe potentially that were crude with even more 13:50 power than they already have well it's clear there was we've learned today 13:55 you know we learn that when the successor by sis and help 13:58 increases their recruiting the FBI is there but I'll table who was not there 14:03 what does not there is the Muslim the quote the 14:06 moderate Muslims the the non extremist Muslim to keep quiet 14:11 or not they are fighting the ideological battle within their own religion 14:16 one of the things we learned in waco leave aside the question what do you 14:20 think a PM galler 14:21 and what went on but let me tell you something before 14:24 waco we speculated we might have people at my sis can trigger 14:28 we now know we do have people ices could trigger 14:32 so the problem here is 14:34 gonna get bigger the president for 10 citizen coming here 14:37 the every victory they win bring them closer and closer 14:40 to the shores into the people want to sign up because they're not be we're not 14:45 winning 14:46 the Maya hearts and minds and we're not winning on the battle we had and we have 14:49 the director the FBI James Conley had said there probably are 14:53 thousands ugh agents inside this country 14:56 now he's not a political guy is just getting it straight 14:59 real quickly the president couldn't get his war authorization through Congress 15:03 last week summer saying he may be too much of a deal outta that he can do it 15:07 without this paper seeks 15:08 speaker bainer said well then go back in and write a new bill in and try to get 15:11 that third tell us what you need to know that I thought you could send troops on 15:14 his own if you really want to but he doesn't want to because he needs 15:17 Congress to be a partner 15:18 for funding it in the long run and Congress and we haven't even gotten this 15:22 yet the three of us tonight 15:24 the republicans that are themselves roiled over what should the policy 15:28 debate 15:29 no one has yet come together and said here's what the american policy towards 15:33 I so should be 15:34 but I think the American people don't want to commit 15:37 another way for ground troops over there and get chopped up all over again we 15:41 would win 15:42 but then what happens we're not gonna stay there we come home again both 15:46 committed to repeat over and over again 15:48 well we saw it does %uh talk that what we know 15:52 from general Dempsey at the pentagon that this could take up to three years 15:55 or longer which 15:56 puts it well perhaps not quite where President Obama will even be in office 16:00 well that just says to me 16:03 two things Harris first it says that reports that have been more optimistic 16:08 previously were grossly exaggerated second it underscores that we don't have 16:13 a 16:13 strategy but third I think it's worth emphasizing 16:17 that what we're relying on to retake Ramadi in large measure 16:20 are Shiite militias that are controlled by 16:24 Tehran Iran and we have the risk is patton John have suggested 16:29 Ivan arms race in addition to a fighting war 16:32 are between the iranians in the Sunni 16:35 arabs that could lead potentially to the acquisition 16:39 on both sides have nuclear weapons and candidly it could go on a lot more than 16:43 three to five years 16:44 to our great depth from 16:45 yeah we're getting some reporting that that Saudi Arabia is looking 16:49 it exactly what they need to do in terms of network 16:53 got mcgarity not only way did not not 16:56 not only they did but today ices said 16:59 up whether you believe it or not they were at least 17:02 just discussing it they had enough money now generated they were going to start 17:06 looking to buy a nuclear weapon 17:08 what are you gonna do if they get one up at their wacky you know the usual array 17:12 and 17:12 they would use it to email you said Pershore yeah 17:16 you know it's interesting to you talk about the money they've got so many 17:19 oilfields gas and oil fields now they have half the country if syria by the 17:24 way which is really interesting 17:25 what happens when they get to the half that tower and Damascus 17:29 where Bashar al-assad is dead what are your thoughts why I think we'll have a 17:33 full scale 17:34 out war between the iranians and I sis 17:38 and it would turn into a regional full-scale war 17:42 with consequences that are both impossible to fully 17:46 appreciate and could well lead to carnage on 17:49 incalculable levels I'll tell you what else i'm reading no 17:53 but Charles side may let them have part of the country you may see kind of a 17:56 partition 17:57 an unofficial partition with the nation of Syria which really complicates 18:01 matters 18:01 because if they actually can rule a section and Andy 18:05 legitimize the right now process harris also shows lab at least is a crazy place 18:10 two years ago the our president wanted to bomb Assad 18:13 member draw the red line at the bottom of the dotted red line well 18:17 but he wanted to bomb and now we are unofficially 18:20 helping him by sharing intelligence of with them against I saw stand around and 18:24 around you go 18:25 alright to hillary clinton campaign let's just jump right in now to things 18:29 to note: 18:29 of her popularity doesn't seem to be rocked by multiple controversies 18:33 among democrats and those people who are ready love her we can pop up some 18:37 numbers there 18:37 but if you dig deeper and I did in this polling on it would seem 18:42 that she's gotten some bleeding politically 18:45 mainly among independents don't what are your thoughts well 18:50 Harris urinalysis is absolutely right at this point 18:54 because hilary is unopposed 18:56 and because there hasn't yet been a smoking gun that 19:01 to really people can simply put their finger on 19:04 despite the myriad of issues that have been raise that I know my colleagues 19:08 will have a lot to say about 19:09 in how she hasn't suffered with democrats but with independent church 19:13 trustworthy rating 19:14 her favorability rating her down really in the high 30's are low 40's 19:19 which will be very very problematic in a general election and indeed the 19:23 because of the weakness with independent tears her horse race numbers against the 19:28 Republican field have been down at single digits or thereabouts 19:33 with the exception of by think a somewhat flawed New York Times poll 19:37 it suggests to me that the elections going to be very very close 19:41 that if there was a vote tomorrow it would be really close as close to 50-50 19:46 as possible day no matter who ran to others I'd 19:49 I think that that's right I think were evenly divided country 19:53 the democrats have a slight electoral college advantage harass people it's 19:57 only very slight 19:58 very interesting and and I didn't hear you mention martin O'Malley or anybody 20:02 else who might see her in the primary you just gotta find out where your at 20:05 Charlton 20:06 up let's talk about where the nation is going according to Gallup polling Pat 20:10 what do you think about this 20:11 you know hillary clinton's can't may be looking at this and saying oh she's got 20:14 an edge because for the first time according to this 20:17 of it looks like the nation is about equally as socially liberal is it is 20:21 socially conservative 20:23 does back if Hillary Clinton an advantage or do you even believe this 20:26 well I'm not sure I believe that I think it's 20:30 still probably more conservative but I'll tell you what is that what is not 20:33 what is irrefutable 20:35 its social issues don't matter to voters right now 20:38 until Republicans until the press compresses republicans 20:42 to try to get them on those issues as it serves as outriders 20:46 up the Democratic Party but i wanna say this you know 20:49 he always got other problems here inside it we have as a country 20:54 the Ricky all we saw somebody I wouldn't 20:57 overly describe it as great up focus group stop 21:01 but we heard democrats this week on the air and I was saying what we have to 21:05 vote for Hillary 21:06 we can consider the scandal because Republicans might win 21:10 we have gone from a country we have gone from a country 21:14 that is a melting pot into a country that is tribal laws 21:18 that into tribes in which might try first 21:21 my country second while men attack its challenge 21:24 among democrats a minute that gets challenge in this country 21:28 something is gonna break it is on american in this is what the political 21:33 classes delivered the country and Hillary Clinton 21:36 who is the candidate a bad is going to sovereign she's already look 21:40 her losses with independents and Democrats I was giving Republicans are 21:44 such 21:45 these are someone leichter she's falling back on a more more narrow constituency 21:49 and eventually the damage being done because there's way too much to fear 21:55 did not tempted to realize I think ur 21:58 that the stop was gonna destroy your in the democrats better starting by the 22:02 whole song I was well I not heard it put that way and this is all happening to 22:06 her with no opponent 22:07 campaigning against our and cheese deteriorate let me get the same here 22:10 they're going to get your airborne 2231 on Twitter says 22:14 hillary clinton needs to be charged with something that would hurt her 22:17 we need the private server that she shouldn't have had for that 22:20 their servers been destroyed but we did have a story last week that both Russian 22:24 and Chinese intelligence may very well 22:27 have acquired through our non secure server so well although it's a nice what 22:32 they have no 22:33 but I think we have to consider that they could blackmail Hillary Clinton 22:36 with whatever 22:37 she destroyed and it doesn't call you that the Chinese and the Russians 22:41 have emails from our secretary say we can go now 22:45 very interesting well with all the speaking fees and the bills that that 22:49 you okay maybe they'll have enough cash to be an expert at to make the location 22:53 atop what you said is so true to come from the conservative-led yeah I thank 22:56 the sweet spot 22:57 American politics for the republicans to get to is to be conservative on 23:02 economics conservative on foreign and defense policy 23:05 and libertarian not liberal libertarian 23:09 on issues like who crew decriminalization of pot gay marriage 23:13 the stuff 23:14 we gotta go back to being about abortion John 23:17 not while abortion the republicans are so wedded 23:20 to the pro-life position they're not change and you can't be nominated 23:24 feat for any job is a bad problematic but I know I W 23:27 vote more on economics well that's what I think I think that you just 23:31 located on alarm clock could be whose hiking no manager 23:35 it'll hurt him in the general what anytime you give power to government 23:39 they love it and they will accumulate more 23:42 ending Jan you give power to government expect them to live within the confines 23:46 of the governor the power 23:47 they will not live within the confines a power unless you watch them 23:52 like a hawk Senator Rand Paul spending more than 10 hours on the senate floor 23:56 in hopes of stopping the renewal 23:58 up the Patriot Act the surveillance battle on Capitol Hill boiling down to 24:02 privacy purses national security the Fox News political insiders are back 24:06 you know what I i have to come to you first on this time because I know you 24:09 have some strong feelings about 24:11 what he accomplished this week wiper so I think that clip was dynamite I think 24:15 that 24:15 that is the republican over 50 years the 24:19 conservative position about the role of government and what happens when you 24:22 give too much power to government 24:24 problem is 911 discombobulated everything 24:27 so that we had a republican president increasing the power of government 24:31 all in the cloak and it was truly love trying to protect the country but it's 24:36 gotten out of hand this NSA met her data collection thing which is now 24:41 been stopped by Rampaul Mitch McConnell threw in the towel 24:45 buffs Friday night for the time being the administration has stopped at 24:49 courts have said you can't do it this is a huge victory for the sky whether it 24:54 affects his campaign on up 24:56 yeah and that's the question pat what do you think well I think he may have 25:00 problems inside the republican party 25:02 because there's a lot about people who are in a very very 25:06 are non privacy totally you know for sure 25:09 well ripka republicans for total government when it comes on security 25:13 that is not the case with Rampal some more but Arians 25:17 and it's not the case where he gets it interesting vote right now