This week on Cleared for Profit, Emma interviews Debra Sutton. Dr Debra is a minister and therapist who teaches graduate courses and workshops. She navigates feelings in places of brokenness, shines light onto sexual shame and integrates sexuality and spirituality. In the course of her lifetime, Dr Debra learned first, that we don’t talk about sexuality in the religious world and, later that we don’t talk about religion in the world of sexuality education. She finds ways to help people connect their whole selves and to heal their wounded, traumatized places. “We are whole people, with some brokenness within us.” Dr Debra highlights the hard but important work of being willing to show up in your life, as your true self, even in the face of an unsupportive community. She encourages listeners to add a fourth ‘F’ (to fight, flight or freeze). Tune in for the details!